FEB 2014 UPDATE......PUPS ARE HERE.........
I currently have pups available from my in house line/in breeding between Cisco and Angel. Cisco is my tri colored boy known for his ripped muscle structure, unmatched drives, health and temperament. And of course that handsome tri color. Angel is a brindle female with very high defense drives and the same health and temperament.
The goal with this breeding is to isolate the genes and traits from the grandparents of the pups Zeus x Navaeh. These pups full grown will be in the 80-100lb range and a great example of a family/protection dogs. They will have nice muscle on a well balanced athletic frame and will be great looking dogs.
As always I will screen all potential homes for these pups and as always I will NOT sell to a breeder. Family homes or working dog homes only. Pups will be reasonably priced as the goal is not financial gain but to find the best homes possible for each pup. Prices will range from $500-$950 and are based on Co-Own, Family Pet, Registered Dog, etc and discounts will be given to experienced trained homes or working homes. Trained pups both basic and advanced will also be available. Payment plans for the right homes will also be available.
CALL 760-406-2501 FOR MORE INFO.
THERE WERE 8 PUPS IN THE LITTER WITH AN EVEN SPLIT 4 BOYS AND 4 GIRLS. 3 TRI COLORS, 3 WHITES AND 2 BLUES.
THESE ARE THE MALES FROM THE LINE BREEDING....FAR LEFT THE WHITE MALE IS MY BOY ZEUS GRANDFATHER TO THE PUPS ON BOTH SIDES...MIDDLE IS THE SIRE OF PUPS MY BOY CISCO TRI COLORED MALE AND THE RIGHT IS ONE OF THE PUPS.
Pups At & Weeks : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYiVY4x_voM
HERE ARE SOME PIX OF THE PUPS AT 6-7 WEEKS :
Welcome to Desert Elite Bandogs located in Palm Springs, Ca, home of the “bully bandog” aka The "muscle bandog". The goal with my version of a Bandog is to produce the Ultimate Family Companion/Guard Dog. A physically impressive muscled up Dog with a balanced structure that must also posses a combination of traits one just as important as the other such as excellent temperament, solid nerves, solid health, extreme loyalty, extreme courage, athletisicm and fierce drives to protect/work if needed. I am currently in my 3rd generation of dogs and some of those pups are currently for sale to the right forever home.
Before I go into further details about my dogs I have posted pix below to give you an idea of my idea of a Bully Bandog. By viewing the pix any further descriptions, info, and details I explain about my dogs will be much easier to understand since there will be a clear image of what I am referring to. Please view the pix and scroll below for info about the Bully Bandog.
Q & A :
What is a Bandog? and especially a Bully Bandog?
Without going into extensive history about a Bandog in short it is a cross between a Pitbull x Mastiff. Many also use other bully breeds such as Mastiff x American Bulldogs, and Boxers to create their version of a Bandog. Originally used in working capacities to hunt, guard, and protect against both small and large game and humans. Most who still breed bandogs do so for a similar more limited capacity such as a family/protection dog. Currently there exists no breed standard, no organized competition, and although there are registries that recognize The American Bandog Mastiff, the term is a widely used name for a dog that is crossed. My dogs have a cross of Mastiff X Pitbull x American Bulldog.
What is a Bully bandog aka Muscle bandog?
My version of a Bandog has many of the same traits as other Bandogs but I emphasize more muscle in a slightly more compact physique. With this combo I am not seeking dogs over 25" tall or dogs that are to "leggy" as my preference is 20"-24". Also I look for a thicker chest and more muscled up rear than most all with a defined waist tuck. Bully does not refer to fat in my case but to more thicker muscle mass. I purposely started this site with pix of my male dogs so the example of what I call a Bully Bandog can be better understood.
How long have you been breeding your type of Bandog? :
My 3rd generation of dogs are currently 14 months and my foundation dogs are 9 years old now. So 9 years in the making. I purposely wait until my dogs are matured enough 2-4 years and able to easily recognize the combination of desired traits I am seeking. A lot of blood, sweat, and tears thru the years with a few bumps in the road but thankfully God has allowed the development of my dogs to be even better than I expected.
The dogs look like they are big in the pix, how big are they?
For a typical Bandog they are not as tall or weigh as much but to most they are big dogs. More importantly is they have a certain "look" to them which gives them an imposing presence. As far as stats my largest male Niko tops at 135lbs and about 120-123lbs conditioned weight. This is on a 24" tall frame. Although because of his build (waistline), muscle tone, and structure he looks just as big as much bigger dogs. My dog Zeus the father of Niko and Cisco ranges 95-105lbs, Their mom Naveah ranges from 92-102lbs, and Cisco ranges from 98-105lbs. All 3 are 20-21" tall. Keep in mind that Niko and Cisco are still noy tey full grown so slight changes in size still may occur until typically 3 years old. So to answer the question a typical Male will be 95-130lbs.
Are you a kennel? or full time breeder?
Let me state for the record that I am NOT a full time kennel and am as of now a small “hobby” breeder. I have a career and a business which currently take up the majority of my time. As a result I have limited time, space, and resources to breed on a regular basis which for now is perfect!! You see as a result I look for reasons NOT TO BREED as opposed to reasons to breed. As a hobby breeder I am forced to follow the quality over quantity approach to breeding along with very strict selective breeding. And I NEVER dictate when a certain breeding will take place if even at all nature and God are in control of that. The proof is that in the 5 years my dogs have been of breeding age, I have bred them twice, 2 breeding's in 5 years. That should show that i am very selective about when I actually do a breeding and why.
So why a Bandog? Why not just own and breed an already established bully breed?
One of my favorite questions. Let me make very clear that I love and appreciate all types of dogs and breeds not just bully breeds and find a particular beauty in all of them. My fondness is to the bully breeds and have owned, worked with, trained with, and competed against on and off in the last 22 years Rotties, Dobies, GSDs, Belgian Malinois, Boxers, Dogos, Cane Corsos, Presas, all types of other Mastiffs, Amercian Bulldog, and my favortie the American Pitbull Terrier. Having said this there currently does not exist a type of pure breed that has the traits I am seeking in a dog. Size being a major facto as I mentioned previously along with temperament and drives. All breeds have positives and negatives for me, by crossing in another breed I am hoping to balance out certain traits by adding in others. Does it always work? No not at all, this is breeding and breeding is never an exact science but I have achieved great results. My dogs carry many of the traits of an APBT with the added size of the Mastiff/Am Bulldog and the more social temperament as well.
So what eaxctly makes the way you "sell" dogs different than others?
This may be the most important question I list here. I do not consider what I do "selling" a pup as opposed to rehoming a pup with a fee. That may sound like fancy semantics but it is true. I do not and will not sell any of my Bandog pups to just anyone. On my previous litter I turned down 15 buyers and many who tripled my asking my price and a couple that offered much more than that. I have also turned down countless requests to Stud my males out for a fee. I am selective because I breed my dogs with a purpose, first and foremost to be amazing family companions. The loyalty and sensitivity that they posses and the bond they develop with their owners is special. Yes all breeds have that ability but I seek a more sensitive dog in relation to its owners. I have had dogs before that had much more of an independence and a slightly less bond/connection with master. I will not breed this trait. So any pup I rehome will be as a family raised and loved companion. Anything less and the pup will not be sold. Also these are big, strong, powerful dogs who NEED and MUST have proper obedience training and socialization in its first few months of life. Those few months will be the foundation for the dog. Every pup will be slightly different but their capacity to please the owner and ability to be trained is high. So this time is critical and anyone who will not make the efforts to follow thru with this will not even be considered as a potential owner. The benefit is that this type of training and socialization as a pup only enhances the bond between pup and owner. Finally I will note that I am very well aware of the image any Pitbull or Bully breed has to the general public. Any buyer who will not raise each pup and adult dog as a fine representative of what these breeds are capable of will not be considered. To that regard I have mainated contact with pretty much every single person who purhcsed a pup from me before even 2 years later. I consider this a team effort and if any buyer/owner ever has any issue with any pup I am here to take te dog back, offer assistance and general support whenever possible. If all the above is n issue and concern then this is not the pup for you. I know the buying process is so much easier with pretty much every other seller.
So when you do a breeding is it just to rehome pups? Do you keep a pup?
The purpose of a breeding is to enhance and improve my version of a Bandog. To better my dogs. So with that said my goal is to keep as many pups as possible. I said before that I am not a full time kennel so the realty is I cannot keep many extra pups. I do like to keep at least 2-3 and keep until about 6-8 months old after I have provided a healthy amount of training. This allows me the opportunity to showcase what my dogs are capable of yet still rehome young enough to bond strongly with its future owner.
Are the breeding dogs health tested? Temperament tested? Are the pups tested?
How much do you sell pups for? Are they expensive?
What I love most about the way I sell dogs is that my "family" dogs could be compared pound for pound with many expensive dogs out there that sell for $3-$5k even more. Yes real quality is not cheap and if someone wants a fully trained older pup, health tested, obedience certified, with protection training as a possibility a pup like that will not be sold cheap. If though someone wants a great family companion and they are willing to consider this a team effort what they will get is a stunning, headturner of a dog that gets attention everywhere they go all for a few hundred dollars. Best part is I am willing for that right home offer a payment plan. If you do not have all the money then you can pay a percentage, take the pup, then make payments at your ability over time to pay off the balance. WHO ELSE DOES THIS? I feel it is the least I can do considering an owner is willing to put up with all my rehoming requirements, lol.
You have intense looking pix of your dogs you posted, do you have any showing them in a calmer light?
I know the images I posted make my dogs look intense and that was done purposley. I am not going to make light of the fact that these are big strong dogs and hopefully the pix sent tht message across. Yes I did say my dogs have a family type temperament so here are real life pix below :
hello, sir, I found your beautiful dogs and I would like to inquire about how you cross your dogs thank you for the next response.
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Hello I found your beautiful dogs pretty muscle, but how wide the order you have crossed : English x pitbull x am bulldog or am bullodg x pitbull x mastiff or pitbull x mastiff x am bulldog . Thank you in your next reply . Good bye.
ReplyDeleteThank you I appreciate the comment. The exact cross is Neo Mastiff x Pitbull with some American Bulldog.
DeleteDo you have any blue males available?
ReplyDeleteNo breedings at this time but one of mt females wil be coming into heat within the next 2 weeks and I will breed her to either Niko again or Cisco. I will post up info when the breeding has been completed.
DeleteI just read this and was wondering did this breeding take place and will you be expecting pups anytime soon?
DeleteLooks like you have a bunch of bully pits Not Bandogs For Bandogs are suppose to be taller and bigger you have nice looking dogs But they look like a slightly bigger pits NOT Bnadogge Mastiffs
ReplyDeleteThere is no such thing as a "bully pit". And any dogs referred to as bully pits are essentially Bandogs minus the breeding for a purpose other than size, so mutts. Bandogs have no breed standard so a defined height and size does not exist. When you cross Mastiff x Pit or Bulldog the pups will always have a variance in height and size. What each breeder decides to breed as his or her breeding stock varies on their program and goals. I decide to also breed my smaller stock unlike most.
DeleteMy male Niko is by no means a small dog he is about 125-135lbs and 24" tall, he is almost 100lbs bigger than my Colby Pitbull female so 100lbs is to me is more than a slight difference.
Nevertheless the fact that most people think my dogs are "bigger pits" means my breeding goal is close to what I want to achieve.
I own a 10 month old male dogo argentino and a 1 year old male rhodesian ridgeback both great fun large breeds as I read you have worked with dogos before :) I read all your q and a you have a great look to your dogs and I want to congratulate you on your success I am sure it has been very hard to get to where you are now. Great looking dogs and I hope to own one of Your puppies one day
DeleteI am interested in what sort of temperament testing you do. What are your long term goals with your breeding program and what direction are you moving in? Odd questions but I doing research for a new dog. You dogs are powerful and balanced. Very nice work.
ReplyDeleteBrinkleyBurns, as far as temp testing all my dogs have CGC and ATTS certs but those are structured and limited. More important their real temp tests are in real life situations as my dogs are used in helping to train and rehabilitate aggressive dogs from Rescues. And real life situations like playing with young kids and other dogs. Their true nerves and tolerance levels are more visible when the child or dogs are not controlled i.e. real life scenarios.
DeleteBrinkleyBurns, long term goals which are now actually short term since I am now almost 10 yrs in is to cross with outside dogs to bring in new sets of genetics that will hopefully not take away from the traits I have attempted to lock in. These dogs can be APBT or other Bandogs.
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ReplyDeletePlease provide any images or footage that demonstrate the working activity of these dogs.
Thanks!
Jay,
DeleteWe regularly hunt with my dogs both boar and yotes as well as do Protection work. I have posted pix on here before as well as a couple videos but no longer post any pix of them with anything that can be deemed animal or human aggression by ignorance. My local breed restrictions and just passed ordinances as well as hunting laws limit what I will post on the internet. If I ever decide to sell dogs out of my local area I will have to offer videos, but for now all buyers can see real life demos of the dogs abilities.
Do you have any pups left from this litter?
ReplyDeletehi, do you still have these pups available?
ReplyDeleteDo you have any upcoming litters are any pups available
ReplyDeleteI really like your breeding program and I am very interested in purchasing one of your great pups....please post your next breeding
ReplyDeleteWell you do have some good looking dogs my man keep up the good work
ReplyDeleteHello I was reading about your pits and I'm interested in having one. When will the next litter be due. You can email me at rodriguezmiriam36@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteThank you :)
Hello! Stunning dogs you have there, and it sounds like you have the breeding philosophies that I've been searching for. I probably want to acquire a pup sometime in 2017. Do you have any litter plans this far ahead? Do you have a contract and terms for health/ownership other than what was stated on this page? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteHello I am very interested in your pup's do you or when will you have some ready and how much are they going for and what is the deposit to hold one my email is ccpacoima@gmail.com thanks alot !!!
ReplyDeleteHello I am very interested in your pup's do you or when will you have some ready and how much are they going for and what is the deposit to hold one my email is ccpacoima@gmail.com thanks alot !!!
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